more cogent thoughts.

[somedaybitch]

Helo's not stupid. check.

Leoben didn't lie. check.

Cain's a fucking psychotic, murdering, civilian-torturing bitch. check.

Mom and Dad love each other. check.

Kara and Lee kick serious ass. check.

Tigh is not an idiot. on purpose. check.

Jack is one haunted motherfucker. check.

All hell's about to break loose. check.

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[svilleficrecs.livejournal.com]

BSG kicking ass.

Check

[simplystars.livejournal.com]

checkity check check CHECK! :D

[eve11]

Leoben didn't lie. check.

Regarding what? Did we somehow find out Adama was a cylon and I missed it?

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

many, many someones were arguing that everything Leoben told Starbuck about cylons and what happens when they die was all a lie. i had always argued against that because Leoben would gain nothing by telling Starbuck that. Six had verified the information with Baltar, but of course those same many someones didn't believe Six either.

so when Gina begs Baltar to kill her and then tells her what the Resurrection Ship is for, it verified everything that Leoben had said.

[eve11]

Oh, okay. I get it.

How did you know her name was Gina? Did they mention that? It's been a while since I saw the first part, so maybe I'm just forgetting, but I remember distinctly thinking, "Gosh, we still don't know Six's name"...

[raincitygirl.livejournal.com]

The name Gina is the one used by RDM & Co. to refer to this copy of the Six model, it hasn't been used as her name on the show. Apparently it's a reference to the diehard fans of the old series who called the new show GINO, standing for Galactica In Name Only. RDM said he wanted to have a character called Gino as a riff on that, but went with Gina instead when that character came up. Methinks someone is a wee little bit bitter about the criticism of his show.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

Methinks someone is a wee little bit bitter about the criticism of his show.

i think he has every right to be. the vast majority of "original" Galactica fans are batshit.

i thought naming the character Gina was brilliant. writers on shows don't live in a bubble. they have a right to feel hurt when fans get shitty.

[raincitygirl.livejournal.com]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I too think the vast majority of the diehard fans of the old series are batshit insane. Katee Sackhoff got death threats, for Pete's sake! It's just that RDM has always presented this attitude of "I'm totally unbothered by the people who hate the new show. It's no big deal." But the fact that he poked sly fun at the batshit insane people by naming the character Gina rather suggests that he's more bothered by their attitude than he has said. I mean, he has to *say*, "Oh, it's water off a duck's back, and I really don't care that they are insulting everything about my show, not to mention everything about me as a person." But clearly he's not living in a bubble, and was a little pissed-off by all the nasty stuff that has been said, even if he can't admit it. And if he did admit it, the idiots would probably be ecstatic, so he has to be quietly bitter and poke fun at them instead of telling them to get out of Mom's basement and get a life.

I didn't realize QUITE how loony the diehards were until I discovered the Skiffy board. There were people who would watch an episode meticulously, only to post a diatribe all about how horrible every single element of the episode was, and how much better a continuation would have been, and it's like, "If you hate the show, quit watching it. You're obviously not getting any enjoyment out of watching it." And apparently a fansite for the old series had set up a message board for people to talk about the new series. They took it down after Pegasus aired, claiming they were so offended by the new show promoting rape (????????) that they could no longer have a board about the show.

BTW, it's interesting that the character he named Gina in their "honour" is an extremely complex character, most likely villainous in her actions, but humanized and sympathetic all the same (because no matter how many humans on Pegasus were killed by Gina's past actions, I have a very hard time believing that it wouldn't have been better for them to execute her as a spy rather than torture her for months until she was catatonic). Because on the Skiffy board, one of the primary complaints of the diehards was that RDM & Co. had ruined the franchise by making the Cylons complicated, rather than Evil Villains with no feelings or motivations beyond "kill all humans."

I've never seen the old show, BTW. It doesn't really sound like my cup of tea.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

sorry. i didn't mean to imply that you thought otherwise.

and i agree with what you said about Ron. i'm finding it particularly ironic in the Stargate fandom, and by ironic i mean completely obnoxious, that fans are irritated with Joe Mallozzi responding fairly in kind to the obnoxious and batshit comments on his blog at GW. they think that their so-called status as fans gives them carte blanche to act like absolute fucktards and that Joe just has to sit there and take it.

And apparently a fansite for the old series had set up a message board for people to talk about the new series. They took it down after Pegasus aired, claiming they were so offended by the new show promoting rape (????????) that they could no longer have a board about the show.

oh yeah. they're speschul. that board is full of diehard stalkers fans of the original series. don't get me started on that. heh.

BTW, it's interesting that the character he named Gina in their "honour" is an extremely complex character, most likely villainous in her actions, but humanized and sympathetic all the same (because no matter how many humans on Pegasus were killed by Gina's past actions, I have a very hard time believing that it wouldn't have been better for them to execute her as a spy rather than torture her for months until she was catatonic).

and what i love about the show is precisely the fact that i don't see the cylons as villainous. (i love that word.) at least not in absolute terms. they are faaaaaar more complex than that, which is what makes them superb "bad guys". your heros, after all, are only as good as their enemies.

as to Gina and her torture, i believe that she was kept alive out of spite, and vengeance, and that it all serves to underscore how utterly broken and batshit Cain has become. watch the scene again when Cain comes in with the Resurrection ship surveillance photos and gives them to Baltar. watch how viscerally enraged Cain is. she loathes Gina. it's not the "standard" emotional responses to an enemy. Cain is personally affronted by Gina, by the fact that Gina insinuated herself amongst the crew, by the "arrogance" of Gina, and by extension the cylons, portraying herself as human.

this conflict/battle/thing isn't simply a war of survival for Cain. it's wholly personal and she wants revenge. Cain is no different than the cylons. she wants to obliterate them all and she will do anything to do it...including shoot her XO in the head and marroon her civilian fleet in space to die of starvation.

Because on the Skiffy board, one of the primary complaints of the diehards was that RDM & Co. had ruined the franchise by making the Cylons complicated, rather than Evil Villains with no feelings or motivations beyond "kill all humans."


blah, blah, blah, BORING. and that also isn't entirely true. the Centurions were machines, yes, but their handlers were not. they were sentient species that evolved into some kind of hybrid AI critter!thing. Ron didn't stray too far from the origins with his portrayal, really. the HUGE difference was giving them a monotheistic belief system, thereby infusing them with depth and infinite shades of gray. it's not new territory for him either, storytelling-wise. he did it with Deep Space Nine. the guy is a firm believer in the "hero is only as good as his nemesis" method of storytelling....because, really, it's totally true. how awesome is your hero of the bad guys suck? not really very much.

I've never seen the old show, BTW. It doesn't really sound like my cup of tea.


well it was certainly a product of its time, but the core story was fascinating...which is why, i think, it still holds up.

[raincitygirl.livejournal.com]

sorry. i didn't mean to imply that you thought otherwise.

No worries. I didn't explain myself very well, so it's not surprising you would've interpreted it that way.

and what i love about the show is precisely the fact that i don't see the cylons as villainous. (i love that word.) at least not in absolute terms. they are faaaaaar more complex than that, which is what makes them superb "bad guys". your heros, after all, are only as good as their enemies.

Enthusiastic head-nodding.

as to Gina and her torture, i believe that she was kept alive out of spite, and vengeance, and that it all serves to underscore how utterly broken and batshit Cain has become. watch the scene again when Cain comes in with the Resurrection ship surveillance photos and gives them to Baltar. watch how viscerally enraged Cain is. she loathes Gina. it's not the "standard" emotional responses to an enemy. Cain is personally affronted by Gina, by the fact that Gina insinuated herself amongst the crew, by the "arrogance" of Gina, and by extension the cylons, portraying herself as human.

Interesting point. It hadn't occurred to me before, but now that I think on it, I believe you're right.

this conflict/battle/thing isn't simply a war of survival for Cain. it's wholly personal and she wants revenge. Cain is no different than the cylons. she wants to obliterate them all and she will do anything to do it...including shoot her XO in the head and marroon her civilian fleet in space to die of starvation.

If her aim were survival, I don't think she'd be conducting operations the way she is. You're right, it's totally personal, and all about vengeance. She's kind of like Adama in the mini, although I highly doubt Adama would've ever gone as far as her. He wanted the Galactica to go out in a blaze of glory, and take as many Cylons as they could with them. Until Roslin woke him up, he wasn't thinking about his job being protecting the civilian fleet rather than getting revenge, and was ready to leave them behind. The saddest part is that fifteen ships' worth, while a small gene pool, is probably enough to keep the human race surviving. But there was no Roslin around to pull Cain back from the brink, and unlike Adama she wasn't the type to listen even if there was a Roslin-type there.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

She's kind of like Adama in the mini, although I highly doubt Adama would've ever gone as far as her. He wanted the Galactica to go out in a blaze of glory, and take as many Cylons as they could with them. Until Roslin woke him up, he wasn't thinking about his job being protecting the civilian fleet rather than getting revenge, and was ready to leave them behind. The saddest part is that fifteen ships' worth, while a small gene pool, is probably enough to keep the human race surviving. But there was no Roslin around to pull Cain back from the brink, and unlike Adama she wasn't the type to listen even if there was a Roslin-type there.

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