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[somedaybitch]

oh ffs, Naomi. shut.up.

eta: and you know what? you can take Hillary and her nanny state with you.

Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday that a mandate requiring every American to purchase health insurance was the only way to achieve universal health care but she rejected the notion of punitive measures to force individuals into the health care system...

...She said she could envision a day when "you have to show proof to your employer that you're insured as a part of the job interview — like when your kid goes to school and has to show proof of vaccination," but said such details would be worked out through negotiations with Congress.

sorry, but you don't get to force those kinds of choices down the public's throat. and don't get me wrong, i think it's awesome that health care is such a priority for Hillary, whether it's simply politically expedient for her to take that stance or she actually believes in it, but it's not Government's job to force people to participate. it is in their interests to ensure that it's available, yes, but those two concepts are not in any way the same.

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[stlscape.livejournal.com]

oh ffs, Naomi. shut.up.

But...But...But...I has wrote a importunt book. ::rolls eyes::


P.S. Also, thanks for the card /sekrit

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

she seriously needs to get a sex change or something. her being female is sooooooooooo insulting to the gender.

[arthurfrdent.livejournal.com]

what... she thinks goodwin applies ONLY if you actually use the name? 'when the state hurts people for asking questions...' um, the state is remarkably flexible in this regard, but that doesn't mean there isn't a reasonable limit... once past that, you can find yourself arrested. The fact that they happened to taze him, and it was caught on tape, is the only reason for her ire. I don't see where she remarked about the protesters removed from the Patreus hearings, and how she imagines that campus police report to the president somehow...

oh, yeah, artistic license.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

what kills me is the ZOMG, THE ADMINISTRATION IS OPPRESSING US. LOOK, CAMPUS POLICE TAZED A JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S PROOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!

except for where it totally isn't. and as exhibits A, B and C, i offer coming soon films, Redacted, Rendition, and In The Valley of Elah.. cuz those 3 films are sooooooooooooo pro the administration.

:::rolls eyes so hard they stick:::

[itsazoo.livejournal.com]

That kid is a known trouble-maker and trick-player. Perhaps the police jumped the gun a bit but maybe he'll thinl twice about being a jerk next time, unless of course, the bleeding hearts take up his cause and run with it.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

yeah, taser shouldn't be their first choice on the non-lethal spectrum of threat escalation, but who *really* knows how that went down, and what kind of prior contacts they had with him.

[itsazoo.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

i'm honestly surprised that they didn't OC [pepper spray] the guy first. we *rarely* tased anyone, and they had to be hardcore, dangerously combative assholes before it happened. and we *always* tried OC first. but again, it's easy for me to speculate, especially without having been there.

either way, that guy isn't a poster boy for anything.

[pdxscaper.livejournal.com]

Hmmm, I wonder if Hillary's going to figure out a way for the people who can't afford health care in the first place [because it's so damn expensive] to actually purchase it? Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

see, and there's part of the enormous problem. if it's "Universal", who pays for it? and if the answer is "the federal government of course," then where is that money supposed to come from exactly?

the federal government, and not thru willful negligence i firmly believe, already can't handle the programs they're responsible for - social security and medicare/medical i'm lookin' at you - so why would ANYBODY in their right mind think they could handle Universal Health Care?

[thevaliumsofalj.livejournal.com]

and universal health care isn't health care at all. It just means that people are going to start waiting in long lines for care, and people will end up dying because the wait was too long - they'll end up getting no care at all. the docs I work with are already frustrated with a 1 month long wait for authorizations for their patients - imagine it double or triple that.

I think my favorite recent analogy was comparing universal healthcare to the DMV. That, and somebody saying if healthcare is a "right" then isn't food a "right". And if food is a "right" then shouldn't everybody get the same kind of food.

and if universal healthcare is so good, then why did a Canadian MP come to California for breast cancer surgery?

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

makes ya wonder don't it? and why are there ALL THOSE HORROR STORIES from the UK, and why is France's system >< this close to collapsing.

yes, it's important. yes, we need to try and find a solution. no, this isn't the way to do it.

[arthurfrdent.livejournal.com]

hey, didja know there is an elephant in the room, 'cuz I just stepped in something...

it doesn't cost hilly anything to say this stuff. she knows how well personally the government is ready to do any of this. She can talk a good game to pander to everyone who believes a rich country should be able to afford this, all the while knowing herself that it isn't that easy...

It's going to be an even harder sell when France's system implodes, since they are often held as some sort of model. Healthcare is just ONE facet, and when the govt is stretched, something has to give...

so when healthcare is required... will health be required? It's a bad return on investment, elsewise. If health is required, d'ya think they will be able to mandate that the individual do certain things?

All in all, it's just a nother brick in the wall...

[pdxscaper.livejournal.com]

it doesn't cost hilly anything to say this stuff. she knows how well personally the government is ready to do any of this. She can talk a good game to pander to everyone who believes a rich country should be able to afford this, all the while knowing herself that it isn't that easy...
Bingo!

Sounds good in those sound bites for a campaign. But question is always, "And how are you going to do that?"

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

But question is always, "And how are you going to do that?"

yes, this.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

i don't think you can call it an elephant, honestly.

so when healthcare is required... will health be required? It's a bad return on investment, elsewise. If health is required, d'ya think they will be able to mandate that the individual do certain things?


yes, and that's precisely why this is a horrific approach.