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so here's the meme. since i apparently don't spend enough time deeply pondering my sexuality, because i'm straight, i ask you to figure said sexuality out for me from my fic. because clearly, i meant to write Apollo/Helo slash in "zero-dark-thirty". but if i'm straight, then how could i even attempt to write it because only gay people can write good het fic. so does that mean i'm a repressed gay and my true nature is fighting to reveal itself?

OHMIGODWTFBBQ!!!!!????

Date: 2005-04-01 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] life-on-queen.livejournal.com
This? This is why I don't normally read LJ at two in the a-m.

TIMI, dude, stop reading the crack and if there's gonna be a Helo/Apollo sandwich going on, I wanna be in the middle....

God, now I'm gonna spend the whole night wondering if my obsession with Crichton's ass means I have a leather fetish???

heh

Date: 2005-04-01 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bantha-fodder.livejournal.com
I got nothing.
From: [identity profile] arthurfrdent.livejournal.com
from the back of the fridge, cuz what-the-frak-are-you-talkin-about willis? people write well or poorly, has nothing to do with sexuality, their sign or if they were english majors. So just calm your nappy ass down and tell me...


is there more? [VBEG]

Date: 2005-04-01 07:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] svilleficrecs.livejournal.com
I think that you don't have to be gay to write slash. You just need a fondness for weiners, and the people attatched.

Date: 2005-04-01 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wishkey.livejournal.com
Okay, you summed that up better and quicker than I could! Cheers!

Date: 2005-04-01 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wishkey.livejournal.com
Only gay people can write good het fic? There are rules? I didn't know there were rules! gasp

I'll give it a try, but discussing this issue feels a lot like freediving to me, not in a good way. Too easy to drown in all the issues.

One theory: if a straight chick wants to write gay male fic, that's because maybe she agrees with both of the guys. (This is the same argument men have been using for years as to why they like girl-on-girl porn....)

Second theory: Aren't the best writers the ones who try to write the kind of stories they want to read? If so, are all the women who are enjoying male slash secretly lesbian? Or a gay male in a woman's body?

Third theory:Or are they simply using their imagination? Much like actors...how can they play a death scene if they have never experienced death? At some point, imagination has to fill in what experience can't.

Another thought: It shouldn't matter. If the characterization is nailed, the characters will tell you what to write. It's their sexuality, not yours. That's how it works for me.

Overall: IMO, there are no absolutes. No one can be 100% straight or 100% gay. Most gay people I've known well (including three of my best friends) fall sort of off-center on the scale.

Sometimes it's the context the person is in; I knew a guy who was a closet straight, and came on to women only when drunk. There are people who only play with the same sex on vacation. I think how they identify themselves is a lot more important than how other people label them.

Been through the self-analysis crap, decided that thinking about it too much wasn't helping my writing or life in any way. Why overthink it? I could be full of shit, too. All I know for sure is I like porny fic or most any kind. Any lovin's good lovin'! [/blather]

This probably hasn't helped, but it's an interesting discussion. I want to discuss this with some of my gay friends and see what they think!

Date: 2005-04-01 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boogieordie.livejournal.com
Don't mind me. I just wanted to make a post with this icon :D

Date: 2005-04-01 08:59 am (UTC)
kazbaby: (porn)
From: [personal profile] kazbaby
Okay, I know what the OMGWTF part of it means. But BBQ? Was the person who came up witht that jonesin for some spare ribs? *snicker*

Date: 2005-04-01 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rubberneck.livejournal.com
Sometimes you just need to turn to the soothing power of BBQ. *nods*

Date: 2005-04-01 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerlin.livejournal.com
I think my head just exploded.

Date: 2005-04-01 08:13 pm (UTC)

breaking news

Date: 2005-04-01 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4399327.stm

really sad. happened in about a remote a place you can find in Albania.

Re: breaking news

Date: 2005-04-02 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com
that blows huge, dude. you stay safe out there.

Date: 2005-04-01 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com
You posted more to zero-dark-thirty! And who cares if you wrote Helo/Apollo slash, so long as it's written well enough that I can visualize it. Heh.

Date: 2005-04-02 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com
kidding people. kidd-ing.

the culprit post (http://www.livejournal.com/users/damned_colonial/240838.html)

Date: 2005-04-02 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wishkey.livejournal.com
That was an interesting read. Now my head hurts.

Kidding aside, this topic facinates me, and I will have to chew it over with fic fan friends, fic writing fans, and my queer friends. I wished someone had brought this up in one of my writing classes in college; the discussion might have kept me awake for a change!




Date: 2005-04-02 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com
i wish i could say it fascinated me. i find it unbelievably pretentious and a case of people imposing their own sexual confusion/beliefs/whatever on the very not important world of fanfic.

Date: 2005-04-02 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wishkey.livejournal.com
Oh, I find it pretentious too, when the writer is fully aware of the issues, and does it on purpose.

(sorry if I go on a little rant here -- and I am agreeing with you!)

I personally don't think anyone's personal issues should go into characterization when writing *fan*fiction, as the characters have already been established. To work well, the characters need to respond as the charcter normally would, not as the writer would in the same situation. Otherwise, it's just another Mary Sue situation masquerading as a writing technique or social issue.

In terms of writing *original* characters (this is the part that fascinates me), again, I think the writer must be aware that the character has their own personality and sexuality, and that may not be the same as the writer's. For me the issue goes beyond just the writer's/character's sexuality. I disagree that the writer needs to experience something to write about it -- if that were true, there would be no fiction, expecially spec, science fiction and fantasy.

Okay, enough wank. ;)

Date: 2005-04-04 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com
Oh, well. I *was* wondering what I had missed in the parts of z-d-t you had already posted. Hee.
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