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the episode of West Wing where they bury Mrs Landingham. the scene in the National Cathedral where he has the secret service seal the building and he proceeds to tell God to, well, fuck off. to a Catholic that kind of temerity is risking a large lightening strike...and yet...

it's horrifying because his grief is so naked. his anger so justified....and yet...

"What was Josh? A warning shot? He's my *son*. What have I ever done to Yours but praise Him."

ouch.

and the backstory of his relationship with her, interwoven with the not!relationship with his father, interwoven with the love hate relationship he has with his God, interwoven with whether he decides to run again or not, interwoven with the mysticism of that great once-in-a-lifetime tropical storm that hits DC on the same day, and it leaves when she does.

and then the scene where he talks to Mrs Landingham again...after they've buried her. the woman who essentially raised him, in all the ways that matter. and now he has to do it all alone. and then the title track from Brothers In Arms. and the shot of just their feet coming down the hallway with just a little squeak of light for reflection. And then the question. And then the hands in the pocket and that little smile.

bloody hell, that's good television.


p.s...and I don't care what anyone says. Isaac and Ishmael is a great episode.


and i wanna be on Josh's list.

Date: 2005-04-07 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bexxa.livejournal.com
Word. To all of it.

Date: 2005-04-07 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerlin.livejournal.com
What you said.

Date: 2005-04-07 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cretkid.livejournal.com
yup. LOVE LOVE LOVE that scene in the cathedral. It gets me every time. And the backdrop of the tropical storm as he goes to answer questions about whether or not he will run again... hands in his pockets, with that song playing... THAT was poetry.

The show as at its peak, it was fun to watch - going into season 3 with the battle against the MS fallout and trying to win the trust of the states again - I can't remember what Toby called him but Dr Fluffy and Mr Hyde seemed well appropriate. I LOVED those episodes.

When Isaac and Ishmael first aired, I wasn't too keen on it, if only because it was on the tails of 9-11 and it was far too easy to be critical of anything that tried to explain the event, even in a tangential way -- and some of the blatant geography problems. But now, separated by time, I have come to enjoy that episode a lot more.

Date: 2005-04-07 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com
what i love about I&I is that it doesn't have any "answers", in the larger sense of the word. and even amongst the protagonists, they don't agree, and there's no simple solution and it's complicated and messy and not pretty.

and i loved that they didn't ignore 9/11 and just pretend. it was an event that was so shocking that it even stopped storytelling.

Date: 2005-04-07 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cretkid.livejournal.com
and i loved that they didn't ignore 9/11 and just pretend. it was an event that was so shocking that it even stopped storytelling.

yes. they didn't ignore it, and addressed it from the outside looking in. That I appreciated more and more after the fact.

And what I think works best in I&I is that they're talking to kids, kids that expect adults to have the answers, and the adults simply don't have them.

Date: 2005-04-07 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thevaliumsofalj.livejournal.com
I loved those episodes...

Date: 2005-04-11 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
...and he argues with god in latin. that did it for me. oh, and when he grinds his cigarette into the marble floor. excellent tv. i just got back my firefly collection. i get to watch it all over again.

Date: 2005-04-12 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com
ohhhhhh, the latin. that was just brilliant. and so, i dunno, daring? i think i might have been a superstitious crew freak that day and been all, "uhm, can i just direct traffic outside...from across the street....in uhm, New Hampshire? k, thanks."

and yay firefly! loves me that crew.

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