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[somedaybitch]

so sorlklewis asked the cylon!question about Jammer, a flight crew guy, in BSG ep 202. (also, thevaliumsofa did as well, but in sekrit. it didn't register until sorlk said it too.)

interestingly, or curiously, when Apollo shoved a gun at him, Jammer said he didn't know how to fight centurians. odd word choice given that no one's ever called them that in dialogue before. he didn't call 'em "cylons", or "toasters", but "centurians". could be normal, given that the guy's on a flight crew and all. could have seen the models in the gift shop landing bay, conveniently labelled "cylon centaurians", before the attack. but it could be odd.

more odd though, is what Jammer was doing in the arms locker in the first place. last we saw, Jammer was being told by Apollo to tie the birds down and make the ordinance safe...in the landing bay.

so a)... why did he leave the relative safety of the bay in the first place if he was so scared and looking for a place to hide? and why was he so scared and looking for a place to hide? i didn't think the broadcast Gaeta made was ship-wide, but on wireless, so how did Jammer know there were cylons on board in the first place? gunfire? then why run *towards* it?

b)...and what the hell was he doing in the arms locker, *especially* if he supposedly "doesn't know how to fight centaurians?" who the hell else would be shooting inside Galactica? and i get the hiding in a place where the cylons have already come in, slaughtered and left, but the arms locker? isn't that a little too convenient? and of course, i don't know what hiding out there would gain him if he were a cylon, except maybe some intel for the toasters, but still...it's just...odd.

and c)... how the frak did he beat Apollo and the nuggets there? sure, i know they made a side-trip to get Roslin out of the brig but they were hauling frakking ass! Jammer would have had to have been on a dead run from just about the second they left to get there and encounter cylons.

am i smoking crack or is that odd?


also...whomever posited the theory way back when that Billy was a cylon? i think you're right. just look at those clothes!!!!! ahem. seriously, he is per-fect-ly placed to be a cylon. and the angst that it would cause Dee. hoooooooooooodoggies. i can't tell if i'm going to hate Ron more if i find out that Billy's a cylon early in the season, or like cliff-hanger style. but either way there's gonna be a boatload of glorious bitter if it's true.

Comments

[spoonishly.livejournal.com]

The "Centurions" moniker caught me off guard as well considering they've just been "Cylons" or "Toasters" to most of Galactica's fleet.

Making Jammer (of any of the deck crew actually) a sleeper Cylon would be a good strategic placement as they have access to the Vipers and Raptors and other mechanical things that could be tampered with.

I actually had a thought of "did they just make Jammer a sleeper agent?" because we still (or at least, I still) don't know what exactly goes into the process of creating a sleeper agent and how long it takes. I lean towards it taking a little longer than a simple injection but you never know with those pesky Centurions.

[cretkid.livejournal.com]

if not a sleeper agent for the Cylons, what about a sleeper agent for the government(s) of the 12 colonies? I get the feeling that Adama, though well loved in the Fleet, had not been well loved by the government. What if someone was put onto the ship for the decommissioning ceremony to make sure Adama wasn't going to do anything... drastic?

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

Hmmm.... As for b), what if Jammer was the one who actually fragged the fire team as they came in for the explosive rounds?

I think you may be on to something here, wg.

[arthurfrdent.livejournal.com]

um, just a thought that pushes this a tad further...

in the original, weren't the Centurions, actually true leaders? as in Roman Centurions, leaders of a Century [hundred]? If you had to pick a team to go aboard an enemy ship for combat, might they not be the more capable model, perhaps more training, more chips, more speed? In general they would be leaders of larger groups with more independent thinking modes etc. [purely guessing]

on the other hand, if there is a centurion model in the gift shop, perhaps the humans understand the command hierarchy, and the kid knew what they were fighting...

there. you see, suggesting an answer that poses two more questions... hehehe ;)

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[windbeliever.livejournal.com]

I thought it was strange that Jammer was hiding out in the open with several dead bodies around him. If I was as chicken as he was, I'd find a nice, dark little corner and tuck myself into it.

If he did mention the Cylons by their model name, Centaurians, it is one of two things, 1) He fully aware of his Cylon nature -- not a sleeper agent, or 2) It is a slip up of the writers.

That would be rather ironic if Jammer was a Cylon...he and Grace Park stared in a Canadian teen angst show together, called Edgemont (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272379/)...

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

If he did mention the Cylons by their model name, Centaurians, it is one of two things, 1) He fully aware of his Cylon nature -- not a sleeper agent,

hmmmmmmm. possibly. although i'd think the opposite were true actually, given that if he weren't a sleeper agent i'd think he'd be more saavy about potentially giving himself away. based on the actions of the other fully aware cylons, i can't see a slip like that happening. which then kind of leads me to wonder how much subconscious control the cylon side really has over the sleeper agent.

[windbeliever.livejournal.com]

... if he weren't a sleeper agent i'd think he'd be more saavy about potentially giving himself away.

Keep in mind that Ronald Moore said that each of the twelve Cylon models are an archetype of the generic human personality (or so I'm paraphrasing). Six/Shelly Godfrey being the seductive temptress/siren. Aaron Doral being the artless bore middleman. And, Leoben Conoy being the pious philosophical believer. We've never really seen Sharon Valerii as a true Cylon, so I don't think we know what her standard personality trait is. We've only seen her in undercover operations -- as a Sleeper Agent and as a Manipulator.

If Jammer is a Cylon, he could be a great ball'less wonder, as a friend of phrase it, lol. There are plenty of those types going around! It's more realistic if he's terrified and a total pussy in that situation. He's all, "I'm human! I'm human!" Yadda, yadda. If he's savvy and slick in a tense moment like that, people are gonna go, "Hmm. Now wait a minute here!"

Cylons are a tricky bunch. They've got human emotion somewhat down; fear is a hard thing to fake, but so is creating a fake human -- they've already done that. ;P