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[somedaybitch]

why do people think that Helo can just shut his love off like it's hooked to some kind of switch? can they?

i mean, isn't that part of the frakking point of the show? what's human? what defines it? you love you who love, even when it's not in your best interests?



fwaps self upside the head for ignoring the personally imposed rule about ignoring fandom...and goes back to working on z-d-t.

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[musicforcylons.livejournal.com]

can they?

Only if they're a sociopath. Otherwise, it's a long road of denial and angst.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

yes. and i don't get how folks are missing that point? how they are calling him stupid and dumb, etc. he's in love. there's nothing rational about that. hello, Lee/Kara? hello, Tigh/Ellen?

Helo didn't know she was a cylon. he thought she was Sharon Valeri. they all did --which, btw, was what was so fabulous about Adama's scene with Tyrol last week -- and Helo fell in love with Sharon. and apparently it was unrequited for quite a while. he was in love with someone who he thought was actually in love with someone else.

so, he's supposed to just suddenly stop loving her the second he finds out she's a cylon? riiiiiiiiight.

and it's all not supposed to get infinitely more complicated now that she's carrying his child? riiiiiiiiight.

[raincitygirl.livejournal.com]

Who on earth are these silly people who think one can just turn off an emotion because it's inconvenient? Have they ever been in love? Hell, have they ever non-sexually loved a friend or family member even when that person was self-destructing and hurting others? It's. Not. That. Easy.

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

frakking.perfect.icon.

Hell, have they ever non-sexually loved a friend or family member even when that person was self-destructing and hurting others? It's. Not. That. Easy.

and yes, even this. the crew has to deal with the fact that one of their crew is lost to them, and it's made horribly, horribly worse because she isn't dead. they can point and blame and ridicule and distrust Tyrol and Helo all they want, but all they are doing is projecting their own grief and guilt. they all loved her too, in their own ways, and they all believed she was Sharon Valeri because they had no reason not to.

Apollo's rage is easy. his father almost died. they don't know enough about the cylons to know if the human models are truly independent in action and thought. so bringing C!Boomer into the fleet is still a potentially direct threat to Adama's life, from Apollo's point of view.

i was interested to see a few folks commenting that they liked that Starbuck stopped defending Sharon after Apollo said the Old Man'd been shot. i don't think she did. Boomer was on her way out the airlock without passing "GO" and getting 200 cubits. Starbuck could have given the Arrow over some other time, but she didn't. She gave the Arrow to Roslin when there was still time to save Boomer's life.

was Starbuck conflicted about Boomer? oh hell yes. look at how conflicted she was about Leoben. but she also recognized that the whole reason she betrayed Adama, went against orders, took the raider knowing they needed it to take out the basestar on Kobol, took it and went to Caprica anyway, was to get the damned Arrow. so they could have a chance of finding the Tomb of Athena and thus, a chance of finding Earth.

blowing Boomer out the airlock before you found out if she really knew where the Tomb was or not? not so much conducive to the goal. Starbuck was willing to sacrifice her career, and more importantly Adama's trust in her, to help save her people. she couldn't afford to let all that go for nothing. also? Boomer just saved her life. saved the lives of the people on Caprica that risked their lives to break her out of that hospital. stole a heavy raider so they could get back to the fleet? for what? to convince Helo? she didn't have to convince Helo. she knew what would happen when they rejoined the fleet, she knew there was a risk to her life, she knew there was a very real possibility she'd never be free again, be permanently separated from Helo...and yet...she did it anyway.

and that's the point. love isn't easy. it isn't clean. it isn't logical and it doesn't make sense. it's often self-defeating and destructive. but you do it anyway because you can't help who you love.

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

Amen, sister!

There is absolutely nothing black and white in this show and that's why I love it so much. Actions have consequences, as do in-actions.

And this whole deal with human vs. cylon is summed up for me in the relationship of Helo and Sharon. They're why I started watching in the first place, 'cause I'm a sucker for angst, and star-crossed lovers, and all that romantic crap. :P

(I love your observations! thinky-thinky-feely!)

[wishkey.livejournal.com]

Dunno why they think that - I never understood that kind of thinking.

I suspect they are the same people that think real people in real life, not-on-screen, can and should do the same, turn off their emotions like a set of tree lights. Same idiots that don't want anyone, anywhere, to crack a tear, let out an uncontrolled giggle, or sigh conspicuously.

Because emotions are sloppy and inconvenient and uncomfortable.

Which is why people have them, and why life is worth living.

Getting back to TV and fandom: Even Mr. Spock knew this. Considering how revered the ol' Vulcan was, you'd think they'd get that by now.

Thanks for the post...this issue is one of my biggest peeves.

Re: (I love your observations! thinky-thinky-feely!)

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

you're quite welcome. i got issues, i guess. i mean, i get that it's a tv show and all, but, what makes the show quality is the honesty and fucked up nature of their responses, their emotions and their triggers. so how does Helo loves Sharon equate to stupidity on his part? because she's a synthetically manufactured being? is she self aware? can she think? can she make independent decisions? then what's the question? is it dangerous to trust her? maybe. but his loving her doesn't have anything to do with that. you don't love only when it's easy and safe and convenient.

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

why do people think that Helo can just shut his love off like it's hooked to some kind of switch?

'Cause they're all of 12, emotionally?

I find it equally irritating that a lot of the same people seem to think the man is stupid. He isn't. He's no Gaius Baltar, but then who'd want two of *him* running around loose? :P

I see much pain and suffering in Helo's future. And I'd be oh, so happy to comfort him. ;)

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

fight ya for him. heh

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

*eyes you narrowly*

[somedaybitch.livejournal.com]

*scoffs*